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		<title>Can you be a &#8220;Christian&#8221;</title>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can you truly say you follow Christ and also follow someone who mocks the weak and disabled, praises himself above all others and preys on the vulnerable?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Perhaps he was was sent by &#8216;God&#8217;, but to test you.</p>



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		<title>Southern Slavery As It Was</title>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive racial animosity. Because of its predominantly patriarchal character, it was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence. There has never been a multi-racial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the world. The credit for this must go to the predominance of Christianity. The gospel enabled men who were distinct in nearly every way, to live and work together, to be friends and often intimates. This happened to such an extent that moderns indoctrinated on ‘civil rights’ propaganda would be thunderstruck to know the half of it. Slave life was to [the slaves] a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes and good medical care. In spite of the evils contained in the system, we cannot overlook the benefits of slavery for both blacks and whites . . . Slavery produced in the South a genuine affection between the races that we believe we can say has never existed in any nation before the War or since.”</p>
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		<title>The Uneasy Conscience of Christian Nationalism</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excerpts from The Uneasy Conscience of Christian Nationalism.Written by Russell Moore and posted on the web page Christianity Today.September/October Issue 2024 [&#8230;] The new Christian [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Excerpts from <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/09/uneasy-conscience-christian-nationalism-donald-trump/" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/09/uneasy-conscience-christian-nationalism-donald-trump/">The Uneasy Conscience of Christian Nationalism</a>.<br>Written by Russell Moore and posted on the web page <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.christianitytoday.com/">Christianity Today</a>.<br>September/October Issue 2024</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[&#8230;] The new Christian nationalism [&#8230;] defines Christianity in terms of reforming external structures rather than of regenerating internal psyches. Unlike the older theological liberalisms, though, Christian nationalists seek solidarity not in the actual mitigating of human suffering but in the mostly symbolic boundary markers of taking the right amount of theatrical umbrage at culture war outrages, at having the right kind of enemies, at “owning the libs.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The uneasy conscience of Christian nationalism pretends that our problem is the opposite of what Jesus told us: that by calling ourselves an orchard we can bring fruit from diseased trees (Matt. 7:15–20), that by controlling what is on the outside of us we can renew what is inside (Matt. 12:33–37).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This message is popular in all times; prosperity gospels and fertility religions always are. An extrinsic religion enables people to claim Christianity without following Christ and enables powerless, prayerless, porn-addicted culture warriors to convince themselves that they are goose-stepping to heaven. By assuaging our guilt with our political choices, we can convince ourselves that what we find in our new Bethel is Jacob’s ladder to heaven when it is really just Jeroboam’s calf of gold (1 Kings 12:25–31).</p>



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		<title>John Leland</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baptist minister John Leland played a key role in the struggle for religious liberty in both Virginia and Connecticut. Raised in New England, Leland traveled [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Baptist minister John Leland played a key role in the struggle for religious liberty in both Virginia and Connecticut.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Raised in New England, Leland traveled to Virginia in 1775 to spread the Baptist message just as tensions between the established Anglican Church and the Baptists were mounting. Leland&#8217;s experience witnessing the persecution and imprisonment of his fellow Baptist preachers &#8212; in addition to being threatened with a gun himself &#8212; hardened his view that church and state must be separate for individuals to be free to follow their conscience in matters of religion. &#8220;Every man must give an account of himself to God, and therefore every man ought to be at liberty to serve God in a way that he can best reconcile to his conscience. If government can answer for individuals at the day of judgment, let men be controlled by it in religious matters; otherwise, let men be free,&#8221; he wrote.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Demanding freedom of religion, Leland became a key player in the so-called Virginia experience, where he found strong allies in James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. It was an unlikely alliance. Jefferson was skeptical of traditional Christianity; Leland was a fervent evangelical intent on spreading the &#8220;Good News&#8221; of the Gospel. Yet Leland, Madison and Jefferson shared a passionate belief in religious liberty.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They found common ground for different reasons. Like the Puritan dissident Roger Williams, Leland was convinced that the church must be protected from interference and incursions of the state; he opposed any form of state support of religion. Jefferson believed that it was the state that needed protection from overzealous clergymen and organized religious groups.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Leland became a pivotal supporter of James Madison and helped win Baptist support for Madison&#8217;s election to the First Congress, where Madison drafted what would become the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1791, Leland moved back to New England, where the Congregational Church still maintained its place as the established, preferred church in both Massachusetts and Connecticut. Leland fought to end religious establishment in both states and saw Connecticut end establishment in 1818 and Massachusetts in 1833.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An ardent supporter of Thomas Jefferson, Leland became famous for his media-savvy strategy to signal the Baptists&#8217; support of the newly elected president in 1801: the gift of a giant wheel of cheese. Reportedly made from the milk of 900 Republican cows, the cheese measured 4 feet in diameter, 13 feet in circumference, and weighed 1,235 pounds. Emblazoned on its red crust was Jefferson&#8217;s favorite motto: &#8220;Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.&#8221; As the giant cheese made the month long journey from western Massachusetts to Washington, D. C., pundits lampooned, ridiculed and celebrated the &#8220;mammoth cheese.&#8221; On Jan. 1, 1802, Jefferson welcomed Leland and his flamboyant gift into White House. Two days later, Leland delivered the Sunday sermon in the House of Representatives, with the president in attendance.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Leland&#8217;s belief in full separation of church and state would lead him to denounce the notion of the United States as a Christian nation. In A Chronicle of His Time in Virginia, Leland wrote: &#8220;The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever. … Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence, whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks, Pagans and Christians.&#8221;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">People &amp; Ideas: John Leland<br>Source: hymntime.com<br>https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/godinamerica/people/john-leland.html<br><br></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freedom of conscience, unlimited freedom of mind, was from the first the trophy of the Baptists. George Bancroft The Baptists were the first propounders of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow"><p>The Baptists were the first propounders of absolute liberty, just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty.</p><cite>Essay on Toleration &#8211; John Locke</cite></blockquote>



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<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow"><p>Every man must give account of himself to God, and therefore every man ought to be at liberty to serve God in a way that he can best reconcile to his conscience. If government can answer for individuals at the day of judgment, let men be controlled by it in religious matters; otherwise, let men be free.</p><cite>Right of Conscience Inalienable &#8211; John Leland</cite></blockquote>



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<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow"><p>The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever…Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence, whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks, Pagans and Christians.</p><cite>A Chronicle of His Time in Virginia &#8211; John Leland</cite></blockquote>
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		<title>The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas Jefferson, 1786 Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And though we well know this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no powers equal to our own and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thomas Jefferson drafted The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom in 1779 three years after he wrote the Declaration of Independence. The act was not passed by the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia until 1786. Jefferson was by then in Paris as the U.S. Ambassador to France. The Act was resisted by a group headed by Patrick Henry who sought to pass a bill that would have assessed all the citizens of Virginia to support a plural establishment. James Madison&#8217;s Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments was, and remains, a powerful argument against state supported religion. It was written in 1785, just a few months before the General Assembly passed Jefferson&#8217;s religious freedom bill. Both the draft version of the <a href="http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom</a> and the <a href="http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/madison_m&amp;r_1785.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments</a> are available on this site.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always see the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country. My desire to discover the causes of this phenomenon increased from day to day. In order to satisfy it, I questioned the members of all the different sects; and I more especially sought the society of the clergy, who are the depositories of the different persuasions, and who are more especially interested in their duration. […] they mainly attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country, to the separation of Church and State. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America, I did not meet with a single individual, of the clergy or of the laity, who was not of the same opinion upon this point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This led me to examine more attentively that I had hitherto done, the station which the American clergy occupy in political society. I learned with surprise that they filled no public appointments; not one of them is to be met with in the administration, and they are not even represented in the legislative assemblies. In several States the law excludes them from political life; public opinion in all. And when I came to inquire into the prevailing spirit of the clergy, I found that most of its members seems to retire of their own accord from the exercise of power, and that they made it the pride of their profession to abstain from politics.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[…] I learned from their discourses that men are not guilty in the eye of God for any opinions concerning political government, which they may profess with sincerity, any more than they are for their mistakes in building a house or driving a furrow.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Democracy in America &#8211; Volume 1 &#8211; 1835<br>by Alexis de Tocqueville</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, &amp; Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Gentlemen</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, &amp; in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man &amp; his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, &amp; not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should &#8220;make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,&#8221; thus building a wall of separation between Church &amp; State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection &amp; blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves &amp; your religious association, assurances of my high respect &amp; esteem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Th Jefferson<br>Jan. 1. 1802.</p>
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